Mosin Must Read

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feeds@yuku.com (NWFrontier) — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:18:02 GMT

fragraf wrote:
It is way more about the man than the tools.

Frag Out.

Absolutely!

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feeds@yuku.com (M4Trigger) — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:42:28 GMT

That's a good point about confidence in your equipment. I would go with my 91/30 because of that confidence. 1 SKS I have is unfired, the other is modified, reliable now, but not so in the past. I've gone on a regular old patrol with an untested rifle and been nervous, and I didn't see or encounter anything out of the ordinary.

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feeds@yuku.com (red079) — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:40:28 GMT

The SKS would have been more than adequate as far as effective range and power goes for the area I was in. During the summer coming across one of these is always in the back of my mind. I happen to agree with you as well frag/boar, if you are well trained with your weapon you will be confident with it regardless of what it is. I have been on other day patrols when I was armed with a pistol and my M44, I felt totally confident. Usually though while I am patrolling I am out looking for trouble,...

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feeds@yuku.com (Big Boar) — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:05:35 GMT

fragraf wrote:
It is way more about the man than the tools.

Frag Out.

+ 1 here. Very well said and true Frag...

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feeds@yuku.com (fragraf) — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:31:49 GMT

I do not think you can go wrong with the SKS or a 91/30. Between 1991 and 2007 the SKS was my only CIDG rifle, and I felt well armed. The SKS is good all around, and more than adequate for everything except for a really long "rifleman" shots. the 91/30 or the carbine versions are also adequate and give you the advantage of staying out 500 yards or more. Either way, you can face pretty much any challenge you face.

It is way more about the man than the tools.

Frag...

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feeds@yuku.com (Garand69) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:56:28 GMT

It's a confidance issue, as in would have been confident with a zero'd SKS compared to an unzero'd Mosin without back up irons. Confidance is big juju, it can take an otherwise seemingly ineffective rifle in one mans hands and turn the same rifle into an effective machine gun nest destoyer in the hands of someone who is confidant with it.

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feeds@yuku.com (Klick) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:24:29 GMT

Hey, I hear you on the SKS. With SKS in hand, I can't imagine wishing for a 91/30!! For sure, real or not, the SKS would give one more of a sense of security. I understand that.

Yes I love my Yugo. Mine shoots out to 500 just fine with the sight set all the way down on the 300 meter setting. That's pretty awesome, a 500 meter battle sight zero!! I did file the "V" deeper, so that at close range I just hold the tip of the front sight lower in the V. That way it does...

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feeds@yuku.com (red079) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:43:44 GMT

Believe me, I do share your philosophy regarding a good reliable bolt rifle in the field. For these purposes I have two bolt rifles for.
Yugo Mauser 1924 wearing an M48 stock w/ iron sights
Rom Mosin M44 wearing an ATI stock w/ iron sights and muzzle brake (that works and is secure) turned down bolt done by the boltman.
The M44 I have field tested extensively and found it to be quite capable, I would suggest it to any rifleman.
I think that what I have said was taken out...

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feeds@yuku.com (M4Trigger) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:41:55 GMT

I dare say, knowing that situation was coming, looking at my safe...that I would have chosen the 91/30. If I was to ever try to be "the man with one rifle" it would probably be the 91/30. I know that I can put out aimed rapid fire at ranges from 25m to over 1100m. It is not scoped. It is nothing "special" except to me! I do always support my rifles with a .40 glock.

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feeds@yuku.com (Klick) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:09:18 GMT

I would say again, that a dedicated sniper rifle, with non-removable scope and no back up sights, "requires", at least, a very capable combat sidearm, I'd put the 1911A1 at the top of the list. Whatever pistol is chosen, it really needs a high hit probability at 100 yards, really needs to be magazine fed, and the obligatory 210 rounds of ammo should be carried for it. A dedicated sniper rifle really needs very little ammo in the field. I believer SOP for the Army at the moment...

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feeds@yuku.com (Garand69) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:19:51 GMT

Great report Red, it is always interesting when your well laid out plans are thrown out the window by an unknown factor. And in this case it made for a much better training op by throwing you that curve.

I am in full agreement with Klick on this, especially on the scope and it's mounting. (of course no offense) An ATI mount and scope combo is literally one dropped rifle away from being a rifle with zero sighting abilities. The term dedicated, as used as Dedicated Sniper Rifle,...

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feeds@yuku.com (red079) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 02:18:17 GMT

Thanks Klick, enjoy your patrols, one question, what ever happened to the after action reports. I remember a while back reading them and now I cant seem to find them. I have actually done some pretty unheard of training operations and would like to pass the experiences and lessons learned from these onto other members. Where would I post these?

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feeds@yuku.com (Klick) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:40:58 GMT

Ok, well the Mosin IS your sniper rig, that explains a lot. Indeed, sniper rifles have their limitations, hey, what better way to soak up that knowledge, especially since everything worked out ok. I do understand the longing for the SKS!

It's hard to imagine being the typical unarmed and oblivious hiker...at the mercy of anyone, and anything! That sucks.

I must say that I admire your willingness to hit the bush for a number of days, "live hard", (I'd say...

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feeds@yuku.com (red079) — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:38:17 GMT

Oh, of course no offense taken what so ever. Truthfully though I had no real intention of doing any patrolling anyway, just wanted to live hard for a few days and test some stuff out. No, I know of course that is no excuse, as I should as a rifleman be prepared for patrolling everytime I go into the woods, training, practice, or whatever. I did actually wish I had my M44 as well, but not like I wanted my SKS.
True about the side mounted optic, I actually looked into that, but I am a...

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feeds@yuku.com (Klick) — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:27:49 GMT

Maybe you were'nt really feeling "wish I had my SKS", but rather, "wish I had open sights". Except for a dedicated sniper rifle, I'm not sure that a 4X scope on a bolt action rifle is of much use, except for hunting, or dedicated sniping, which usually includes a spotter with a rifle such as the SKS, AR, or AK. With an open sighted 91/30 or M44, I'd feel fairly competent mixing it up with growers. With a scope on it...I'd feel much the same as you did....

Mosin Must Read

feeds@yuku.com (red079) — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:44:45 GMT

I just got back today from my somewhat annual camping trip. I usually go up alone and spend three days testing out a variety of equipment. For this trip I selected my newly scoped Mosin 1891/30. I had an ATI mount installed and dropped a 4X on it. With iron sights I got really great groups, using Soviet 148 gr milsurp, usually around 1" at 60 yards. I was also testing out some water purifiction tabs, chlorine based, I also brought with me some archers tree steps to see if I could find a...